Subject: RE: Wrong, Pamela, there is a cure
From: Patrick Martin
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:38:45 -0700
To: info@hepctrust.org, dtletters@telegraph.co.uk

Dear Daily Telegraph & Charles Gore, chief executive of the Hepatitis C Trust;

I find your above article, Wrong, Pamela, there is a cure (source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2005/04/28/hhepc28.xml&sSheet=/health/2005/04/28/ixhmain.html), very faulty and misleading to be sure!  I'm really hoping you'll be brave enough to post this email in response...

In regards to this part of said article:

In an interview last week, the former Baywatch star told a newspaper: "The doctor said 'you have a glitch with your blood.' He told me I had hepatitis C. I asked how I could get rid of it, and he said, 'Well, you can't'."

As those who work with hepatitis C patients know, that is no longer the case.

I'd like to offer these short articles I have posted on my web pages, after researching the commentary:
IS THE VIRUS GONE?

So you've gone through treatment and you still test negative 6 months later. Is the virus really gone? Can you stop worrying?  Researchers in this recent study examined the blood of randomly chosen patients who once had hep C and had either resolved it spontaneously (5 patients) or through treatment (11 patients).

They tested the peripheral blood mononuclear cells and in some cases, the monocyte-derived dendritic cells,  using a very sensitive test (RT-PCR-NAH) and by real-time RT-PCR.  Their results showed that HCV RNA was
carried in the convalescent-phase sera and/or PBMC in all 16 individuals investigated.  Also, HCV RNA negative strand were found in most of the blood tested.

This suggests that the virus is multiplying, even in samples from patients who tested negative 5 years after treatment. The results suggest that HCV can remain in the blood and lymphoid cells at very low levels and an intermediate replicative form of the virus can remain in the body many years after the apparent resolution of the virus.

Source: Pham TN, et al, J Virol. 2004
Jun;78(11):5867-74. Hepatitis C virus persistence
after spontaneous or treatment-induced resolution
hepatitis C.

(courtesy of: Sept 2004 hepc.bull - Canada's Hepatitis C News Bulletin)

Hepatitis C Virus Persistence after Spontaneous or Treatment-Induced Resolution of Hepatitis C
(the above cited trial, complete)

Persistence of Virus Following Successful Therapy

Sustained viral response to hepatitis C therapy is defined as an undetectable serum HCV-RNA 6 months after stopping treatment, regardless of the therapy used. This definition has become the cornerstone of hepatitis C treatment because its attainment has a significant impact upon both the patient and the treating physician.

An important study was presented by Radkowski and colleagues[9] during these meeting proceedings that places into question our definition of response. They evaluated for the presence of hepatitis C viral RNA in either stimulated lymphocytes, cultured macrophages, or posttreatment liver biopsy samples from 17 sustained viral responders to combination interferon and ribavirin therapy. HCV-RNA was detectable in the macrophages of 11 (65%) patients and in the lymphocytes of 7 (41%) patients. Three patients had HCV-RNA detectable in liver tissue. Overall, only 2 of the 17 (12%) sustained viral responders were negative for the presence of HCV-RNA in all analyzed specimens.

These findings are important because they bring into question the current definition of sustained viral response. These findings need to be further evaluated in larger series because the persistence of virus may have significant implications on future disease progression, disease activation, disease transmission, and the development or persistence of hepatic fibrosis.

source: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/495211
( 9. Radkowski M, Jablonski J, Wilkinson J, et al. Persistence of hepatitis C virus in patients successfully treated for chronic hepatitis C. Hepatology. 2004;40:180A. [Abstract #41])

My page for all this is: http://borderline.gotdns.org/isvirusgone.html


Next item for me to comment on is:

"We have a major problem in this country with very few people being treated," says Charles Gore, chief executive of the Hepatitis C Trust. "One of the reasons is that people are not aware that a cure is available. If you think you may have the disease, but believe there is no cure, you may feel there is no point in getting a diagnosis."
I personally would say that there is NO such thing as a "CURE" for hepatitis C.  Much of the viral load may be removed by medication, it may be in a dormant fashion and HCV no longer multiplying, it may well be undetectable by standard viral load tests, but with the above two articles I've included, and the fact that the Red Cross nor anybody else in the blood collecting/donating business will accept donated blood from someone with hepatitis C, or even one theorhetically "CURED" of hepatitis C.

Next item:

"Only a small number of individuals have symptoms at the time of infection," says Dr Adrian Hamlyn, a consultant physician and liver specialist at the Dudley Group of Hospitals in the West Midlands. "Without treatment, a vast majority will develop chronic infection and about a third will have cirrhosis of the liver." In a few cases, cancer of the liver can develop.

In up to 15 per cent of patients, the virus clears itself. The rest will need treatment to eliminate HCV from the blood, ideally before it does serious damage, which is why early testing is so vital.

Treatment involves a tough regime of weekly interferon injections and daily anti-viral ribavarin tablets that bring unpleasant side effects. Some strains of HCV respond to treatment better than others: the overall success rate is around 60 per cent.

I'm hearing a very magical 'success rate' of 50 & 60 percent regularly the past few months, some based on a couple study reports I have seen, and believe me, they will be look at closely for proper study integrity.

Aside from that, here in America hepatitis C genotype 1 is the predominant genotype, the hardest to remedy or make undetectable, and we have an estimated 4 million with hepatitis C here in America.  Being that I have this genotype hep C, that's where my research have been directed.  My research shows me about 20 to 30 percent of patients can/will make their HCV viral load undetectable and achieve SVR (Sustained Virological Response) by the standard PCR viral load test.

Next:

"Even when the virus cannot be eliminated, inflammatory activity in the liver can sometimes be suppressed," says Dr Hamlyn. "And new drugs are being developed that stop the virus from replicating. Trials have shown them to be very effective, but at the moment, they are too toxic for general release."
You fail to mention whatsoever herbal/natural remedies can remedy "inflammatory activity in the liver" as well, I currently run near normal liver enzyme numbers, ALT/AST, the blood lab indicator for liver inflammation.  I have thus far found nothing to reduce my HCV viral load, but am researching a couple possibles.

Lastly, as this disease can become a deadly issue, as it nearly was for me last August, we desperately need nations to start having their population tested across the board for hepatitis C.

And as several of my web pages will indicate, I've been thru peginterferon/ribavirin medication programs twice - once for 24 weeks of a 48 week program, and was declared a non-responder  - followed a while later by a high dose trial program thru USC 19 weeks of 72 weeks that nearly killed me, and had me hospitalized for 11 days last August.

Until we arrive at a medication program with far improved success, AND with far less side effects, I will stick with my herbal/natural routine.  Actually, it's good food for good liver health, plus the herbal program I put together for myself.

I will be a LAB RAT for our pharmaceutical medicine industry no more!

My advice to the Daily Telegraph is fair and honest reporting this very subject.  This current article is a bit shy of that.  My advice to Mr. Charles Gore is to use accurate medication 'success' and the stop using the "C" word all together!

Undetectable HCV most certainly does not equal "cure".  'Decline', 'undetectable' and 'dormant' are much more appropriate.

Yes, this has become a 'word game', but it is also a hepatitis C fact game that I am more than aware of.  We most definitely don't was to paint improper images of hepatitis C medications and detection that will hinder research!  And that's precisely what articles with false 'success' claims do...

Best regards,

-Pat
 hfT  heppers for TRUTH
Chatsworth, CA